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Old 15-09-09, 14:28
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Default Start-up issue with Windows Vista

Maybe someone can help?

Over the last couple of months, my pc has become very slow in starting up on Vista (Home Premium) as follows:

Turning pc on to login screen appearing: 45 secs
Shows the "Welcome" icon: 30 secs

The above isn't an issue, but then I have a completely blank screen (a kind of pale pastel green but initially was totally black) for 2 minutes, before the desktop finally appears. I have a laptop with Vista on as well and do not encounter this delay/problem

In all other aspects my pc seems to run fine and shuts down at normal speed.

It has 3GB of RAM and has up to date Windows updates. I can't be entirely sure but the problem first started around the time that I installed SP2 (but could have been before).

I've defragged and run cleaning software (eg Ccleaner / Vit Registry fix etc) but haven't noticed any difference.

I wonder if I have deleted / removed a vital file by mistake?

Any ideas welcome
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Old 15-09-09, 15:27
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Default Re: Start-up issue with Windows Vista

Here is my growing list of things that could be responsible for slowing the start up, normal running and shutting down of your Vista computer. I haven’t removed the things that you have already tried, so not all of them will apply but look through the list and try those that seem appropriate:

1. Make sure you are free from malware as that can slow it down. If necessary, run your ‘anti’ programs.
2. Insufficient memory (RAM) can slow the system down. A minimum of 2GB is recommended, more if your system can cope with it. Also, SuperFetch preloads into memory the programs and data it expects you to use based on past usage. This does result in quite a lot of disk activity after startup as files are read from disk into memory but it can make a difference to the launch times of frequently used programs where a large amount of RAM is installed. Disable it on systems with less than 2GB of RAM via the Windows Orb (Start), type services.msc and press Enter. Scroll down to Superfetch, double-click it and change the Startup type to Disabled and click Stop to immediately turn it off.
3. Indexing takes a day or so to settle down on a new Vista computer. The settings can be changed in Control Panel > Classic View > Indexing Options. However, if you don’t do much internal searching, turn it off completely, look here http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/09/17...dexing-service/
4. Turn off Scheduled defragmentation via Windows Orb (Start) > All Programs > Accessories > System Tools > Disk Defragmentation. However, every so often you need to check if any disks have become excessively fragmented, which can affect disk performance.
5. If you’re using Windows Defender, stop it from auto-scanning and check if your antivirus program is scanning at boot time.
6. You’ll get a slightly faster start up if you optimise the boot files and applications by running a special defragmentation from an elevated CMD prompt, i.e. click the Windows Orb (Start) > All Programs > Accessories and right-click Command Prompt, then ‘Run as Administrator’. Type defrag C:\ -b (note the two spaces) and press Enter. It will take about 10 minutes to run.
7. When you have a slow boot, check that no external drives have media in them. If they have, experiment by booting with it inserted and without. If you have a built-in card reader remove the little plastic cover that protects the slot, which can occasionally cause a slow down.
8. Reduce the number of programs that start up when you switch on the computer by downloading and installing the free Quick Startup, which is better than Microsoft’s msconfig, get it here http://www.glarysoft.com/qs.html?tag=download Click on (highlight) an entry, then in the left pane choose Disable or Delete. If you are unsure about an entry and want to know more about it before disabling or deleting it, highlight it and then click ‘More information’ at the bottom of the screen.
9. To check if a particular program is slowing the machine when you switch on or shut down, e.g. an antivirus program, go to Control Panel > Classic View > Performance Information and Tools > Advanced Tools (in the left pane). The problem is sometimes shown on this screen.
If it isn’t shown, click the Windows Orb (Start) > All Programs > Accessories, right-click Command Prompt then ‘Run as Administrator’. Copy & Paste or type wevtutil qe Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational /f:text > %userprofile%\Desktop\Event.txt (note the five spaces) and press Enter. If you Copy & Paste the command, use mouse right-click to Paste it into the prompt. Close the command prompt and double-click Event.txt on the Desktop to open it. Go to the end of the file (Ctrl+End) to see the most recent events. Those with an Event ID in the 100 series are start up events and those in the 200 series are shut down events. There may be a name or reason in the event listing.
10. To see which tasks are running, open a Run window (Windows key+R), type cmd /k tasklist /svc (note the three spaces) and press Enter. Close the cmd prompt when you have finished viewing it. To get a better description of the associated Service(s), go to Task Manager (Ctrl+Shift+Esc) > Processes Tab and on a specific Svchost, right-click it > Go to Service(s) to see all the Services, which are highlighted.
Alternatively, use Process Explorer to see what services are running. To see the svchost processes, let the mouse pointer hover over each svchost.exe in the left pane. Download it from here http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/s.../bb896653.aspx
11. Although hard disk errors are rare, they can slow up the machine, so it‘s worth spending a few minutes checking. Click Computer > right-click the hard disk drive that you want to check > Properties > Tools Tab, and then, under Error-checking, click Check Now.
12. This website refers to XP but much of it still applies regarding programs that slow Windows down, here http://www.thepcspy.com/read/what_re...windows_down/5
13. I don’t agree with all of these speed improvement tips but you may find something that looks familiar, read through the list here http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/81...nce-vista.html and/or here http://bibwoe.com/1/InfoPages/VistaT...tem%20Settings
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Old 15-09-09, 16:51
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Default Re: Start-up issue with Windows Vista

Hi BurrWalnut

Thanks for the above advice. I've had a look in advanced tools and I seem to be getting a Critical error each time I boot. Is this anything relevant? I must admit I have absolutely no idea what any of this means.

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Log Name: Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational
Source: Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance
Date: 15/09/2009 16:40:15
Event ID: 100
Task Category: Boot Performance Monitoring
Level: Critical
Keywords: Event Log
User: LOCAL SERVICE
Computer: PC
Description:
Windows has started up:
Boot Duration : 240462ms
IsDegradation : false
Incident Time (UTC) : 15/09/2009 15:35:48

Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
<System>
<Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance" Guid="{cfc18ec0-96b1-4eba-961b-622caee05b0a}" />
<EventID>100</EventID>
<Version>1</Version>
<Level>1</Level>
<Task>4002</Task>
<Opcode>34</Opcode>
<Keywords>0x8000000000010000</Keywords>
<TimeCreated SystemTime="2009-09-15T15:40:15.626Z" />
<EventRecordID>5187</EventRecordID>
<Correlation ActivityID="{00000000-9B8C-0001-9080-0F331A36CA01}" />
<Execution ProcessID="1736" ThreadID="496" />
<Channel>Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational</Channel>
<Computer>Neal-PC</Computer>
<Security UserID="S-1-5-19" />
</System>
<EventData>
<Data Name="BootTsVersion">2</Data>
<Data Name="BootStartTime">2009-09-15T15:35:48.718Z</Data>
<Data Name="BootEndTime">2009-09-15T15:39:59.671Z</Data>
<Data Name="SystemBootInstance">1146</Data>
<Data Name="UserBootInstance">1001</Data>
<Data Name="BootTime">240462</Data>
<Data Name="MainPathBootTime">167098</Data>
<Data Name="BootKernelInitTime">22</Data>
<Data Name="BootDriverInitTime">4094</Data>
<Data Name="BootDevicesInitTime">7073</Data>
<Data Name="BootPrefetchInitTime">41286</Data>
<Data Name="BootPrefetchBytes">446812160</Data>
<Data Name="BootAutoChkTime">0</Data>
<Data Name="BootSmssInitTime">7843</Data>
<Data Name="BootCriticalServicesInitTime">1747</Data>
<Data Name="BootUserProfileProcessingTime">614</Data>
<Data Name="BootMachineProfileProcessingTime">841</Data>
<Data Name="BootExplorerInitTime">141522</Data>
<Data Name="BootNumStartupApps">30</Data>
<Data Name="BootPostBootTime">73364</Data>
<Data Name="BootIsRebootAfterInstall">false</Data>
<Data Name="BootRootCauseStepImprovementBits">0</Data>
<Data Name="BootRootCauseGradualImprovementBits">2097 152</Data>
<Data Name="BootRootCauseStepDegradationBits">0</Data>
<Data Name="BootRootCauseGradualDegradationBits">0&lt ;/Data>
<Data Name="BootIsDegradation">false</Data>
<Data Name="BootIsStepDegradation">false</Data>
<Data Name="BootIsGradualDegradation">false</Data>
<Data Name="BootImprovementDelta">0</Data>
<Data Name="BootDegradationDelta">0</Data>
<Data Name="BootIsRootCauseIdentified">true</Data>
</EventData>
</Event>

BootTsVersion 2
BootStartTime 2009-09-15T15:35:48.718Z
BootEndTime 2009-09-15T15:39:59.671Z
SystemBootInstance 1146
UserBootInstance 1001
BootTime 240462
MainPathBootTime 167098
BootKernelInitTime 22
BootDriverInitTime 4094
BootDevicesInitTime 7073
BootPrefetchInitTime 41286
BootPrefetchBytes 446812160
BootAutoChkTime 0
BootSmssInitTime 7843
BootCriticalServicesInitTime 1747
BootUserProfileProcessingTime 614
BootMachineProfileProcessingTime 841
BootExplorerInitTime 141522
BootNumStartupApps 30
BootPostBootTime 73364
BootIsRebootAfterInstall false
BootRootCauseStepImprovementBits 0
BootRootCauseGradualImprovementBits 2097152
BootRootCauseStepDegradationBits 0
BootRootCauseGradualDegradationBits 0
BootIsDegradation false
BootIsStepDegradation false
BootIsGradualDegradation false
BootImprovementDelta 0
BootDegradationDelta 0
BootIsRootCauseIdentified true
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Old 15-09-09, 19:09
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Default Re: Start-up issue with Windows Vista

I did think when you said in the original post that the graphic display was misbehaving, that you should be looking for a driver update, either the manufacturer or Windows update. I now think that it is the route to follow but don’t ignore the other things I listed.

Regarding the Event Viewer log, as there was no program name listed in Performance and Tools, no one program/module is responsible for the delay. To understand the log, you have to look at the parameter names, e.g. BootStartTime and BootEndTime shows that it took about four minutes to load. By running some of my other suggestions, you will be able to reduce this, but by how much is the $64K question.

As far as analysing the errors, I suggest you confine your search to the ‘Critical’ errors in Event Viewer and follow the web links that are present with each one:

Go to the Windows Orb (Start) > All Programs > Administrative Tools > Event Viewer > Application and Service Logs > Microsoft > Windows > Diagnostics-Performance > Operational and scroll down to the Critical errors > Double-click them (one at a time) then click Event Log Online Help > Yes (to send it). Often, the online help is missing because the error is caused by a third-party program or device, so I wouldn’t be surprised if you find the same.
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Old 23-09-09, 15:18
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Default Re: Start-up issue with Windows Vista

Well thanks for all the help. I tried absolutely everything - eventually decided to strip it all back and restore everything from new which seems to have done the trick.
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