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SamuelG
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Hello folks, A complete beginner by the way but would like to build my own website to give my business a presence on the web. At the moment I am considering using NetObjects for doing that. Not that I know anything about NetObjects but it is WYSIWIG and few programs that I read about (that are also WYSIWIG) seem to gather very unhappy following. Initially I had a Namo in mind but read some very bad things about that program. Don't have the time to learn anything too complicated so as long as the program is dummy-proof (and I am hoping that NetObjects are) I should be ok  Of course, what kind of beginner would I be if I wouldn't have loads of questions for you
I would like to use a font which is very rare to find and not many computers will have on them. What do I do in order to have my personalised font readable on any machine? I've read somewhere that is possible to implement but for the life of me can't remember how  Can I achieve that with NetObjects program and how?
Who should I register my domain with? Any good domain sellers out there or is it irellevant who you buy it from? Trying to avoid registering the domain with my website host since that reduces the freedom to move should things go sour(so I read). In the last issue of Computer Active they mention that it can be a problem not doing it with the same people because linking it with your website will not be as straightforward as it is when you have registered the domain with your webhost. How big of a problem is that?
What is the difference between ".co.uk" and ".com" I would ideally like to have my website ".com-ed" No particular reason, I just think it looks better(although I might be wrong here) or more international. Also, I don't know if that gives the advantage when people are searching the web from all over the world as opposed to from UK. I would like to buy both ".co.uk" and ".com" Would I need to do something special in order to have them both point to my website, I really can't picture how it works. Or am I missing the point totally since my business is UK based,(chauffeur company) so maybe would be better to settle for ".co.uk"? Sorry if some of my questions sound outright silly but can't help it, don't know much about this web business. And as they say: The only stupid question is the one you don't ask... I am sure I had few more questions but can't remember them now 
many thx in advance
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TheFatControlleR
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Hi SamualG - welcome to the forum, and the wonderful world of web site creation....
As you've suggested there are several WYSIWYG HTML editing applications out there. Perhaps the daddy of them all (in that it is more often than not the pro's choice) is Dreamweaver. It's a pro-spec application with a price tag to match. Then there's the likes of MS Frontpage, NetObjects, HotMetalPro, Namo, Serif WebPlus, etc. And, for the purist, there's Notepad.
With Notepad you need to know your onions RE HTML coding, etc., as it's all done by hand, so I guess we can discount that.
Dreamweaver, apart from the expense, has a steep learning curve for the novice. Which tends to leave the various 'domestic' applications to consider.
I should say that I haven't used any of them since their early days, so can't really comment on what they are capable of, but some have more bells & whistles than others, so your choice would depend on what you want to achieve.
What I will say is which ever one you take up with you will probably have to stick with it, as all of them produce some unique code to implement those bells & whistles. Trying to change a site created with one application by editing it in an other is nigh on impossible.
Another aspect of these packages is they tend to look like every other site created using them, unless you forgo some of the wizards and think a little outside the box when it comes to the design, and perhaps use your own graphics as opposed to the ones included, etc.
As for using a unique font, as you've said, unless the client PC has the font enabled the user wouldn't see it, but would see their browsers default font.
One way of rectifying that would be to have the font available on your site to download, but to be honest site visitors aren't inclined to install such fonts, they want a site ready to go.
There was/is(?) an MS technology called WEFT which purported to let you use fonts other than web natives on sites, but from what I read it wasn't easy to implement, nor entirely successful.
An alternative would be to use the special font sparingly as a graphic, perhaps for headings, etc.
In any event, any font used for blocks of text to be read on a screen should be easy on the eye, and preferable sans serif.
As for domains; I would certainly suggest keeping your registrar and hosting company separate. Again, as you say, if issues arise with one you're not tied in to the other aspect of your sites management, etc.
Personally, I would recommend Telivo as a registrar, I've used them for years and never had an issue. Domain management is straight forward and their prices are reasonable.
As for hosting, all I would say is shop around. You might want to look for a host that offers the Fantastico package (a collection of web applications that you may find useful, including CMS (Content Management System)). Most hosts offer easy-to-use control panels which allow you to manage your server/site, one of the most popular control panels is cPanel, which might be worth checking out.
The only other advice would be 'if it looks too good to be true' it probably is. You do tend to get what you pay for in terms of service, up-time, etc. Just shop around, and remember recommendations are always worth considering.
The issue of whether to go with a .com TLD or .co.uk you've pretty much covered. I tend to recommend to my clients that they grab both, use one and have the other point to it.
I'm sure you'll have more questions, and I'm equally sure others will have some advice for you too.
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SamuelG
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Thx for the speedy and lengthy reply TFCR, muchos appreciated 
Had a lookie at Telivo and will get the domain from them, they look ok but I think their webhosting prices tend to be on the expensive side, IMHO. I am sure it is the case of you get what you pay for (better cust. service, phone support etc)but I shall see, haven't made up my mind about it, not enough info to compareas yet and frankly I don't really know will I really need all those features that make one provider more expensive than others.
Regarding the font, from what I remember I think it was the case of if you want your unique font to be seen by any machine that visits your website you have to make it into some sort of graphic and the way I understand it is, you have to almost have it as a picture instead of just plain letters. If you understand my almost Tarzanish descriptions, and if you know what I am trying to say(cause I don't) would you be able to explain to me what does that involve. Unfortunately I love that font so much I will just have to have it on my site 
I am even inclined to have a go at Dreamweaver, Flash, Fireworks etc but I can't really wait another 3 years until I've mastered them. I also have Namo,CoffeCup,NetObjects and many other editors but never really as much as opened it, let alone tried to do anything with them Dreamweaver came with 2 DVD visual instruction but I've been a lazy bum so far. Hopefuly I'll get a move on some time soon. Could I construct some basic stuff for the time being and then just change it altogether once I've mastered 'weaver or would that involve trouble with webhost?
As for hosting, thx for the advice on "Fantastico" although I don't even understand it but will look for it. What is the role of "CMS", I mean what does it do for you? Will look out for cPanel.
Too good to be true doesn't mean a lot to me at the moment since I dont really know what is supposed to be good 
Regarding .com and .co.uk, how do you make them point to the same website, I mean how difficult is that(hopefuly not that complicated)
once again many thx for your time, it is a very steep learning curve and every bit of help is mega appreciated!
cheers SamG
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I agree, Telivo isn't goods for hosting. Which company would be best depends on what your want to accomplish with your site.
If it's purely an online shop-window offering nothing more than information and contact details then a very basic hosting package will suffice. If you want to regularly update the content, while keeping previous content available, then perhaps a 'dynamic' site would be better. In this case an CMS may be usefu.
Content Management System is a means to upload 'articles' which are stored in a database and 'dynamically' served to the page on request. To use one your hosting package would need PHP and a MySQL database within the package.
If you have Dreamweaver then it would certainly be worthwhile getting to grips with it, eventually. In the meantime it may be prudent to put something together with one of the other (easier to use) packages, then work on Mark II of the site for launching later.
Providing your hosting has FTP access (nearly all do) then it will makes no difference which software you use to created the site (although some of the software requires MS Extensions to be installed on the server (certainly if one was to use MS Frontpage) to enable functionality/bells & whistles). If you use NetObject initially, you would merely delete the old site and upload the new Dreamweaver version when it was ready.
Fantastico isn't essential. You can Google it to see what is generally available and decide if it's worth pursuing. Similarly cPanel. I mention cPanel as it is fast becoming an industry standard for hosting back-end functionality and is very user friendly.
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SamuelG
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Thx mate, I am getting a fair bit of info and fast.
Yeah, just installed FrontPage to see what it is all about and it seems to me it requires a fairly steep learnign curve too Will browse a little more to figure out what program does what, but I think I will, if I have to already learn some program(and if I want a reasonably original and nice website, I WILL have to) I might as well learn Dreamweaver since that seems to be the bees knees of them all(so they say). Really, for what I want out of the website,it might be an overkill but you never know what tomorrow brings... And yes, my website will be an online shop window that will hopefuly bring few extra phone calls and maybe give my business a bit of a profy touch, but then again, for all I know, it may not bring anything at all  Btw, any recomendations for the webhost, people seem to be very reluctant to vouch for them or is it just my impression?
Initially I was inclined to go for the 1and1 but then by chance found a place on the net where people were discussing their hosts and 1&1 seemed to generate a lot of unhappy bunnies:) and it was mainly due to their impenetrable C/Service. Maybe it is the old one, you rarely hear from the happy ones, only the guys with some sort of problem will actually bother to post their marks. So, it may not mean anything but it does make you hesitant a little.. Btw, whether I am going to pay £3.49,£4.12 or £5.73 a month doesn't bother me that much as long as I know that provider is fairly reliable and most importantly contactable.
thx again veru much for your time and effort cheers SG
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I think you're right about what's posted on forums, and who posts it. Disgruntled customers will walk over hot coals to let their dissatisfaction be know, where as a happy bunny rarely remarks as much.
As for 1and1; I had an unsatisfactory relationship with them, via a client, as such I wouldn't 'recommend' them. Likewise EasySpace.
I would, however, say that I use AceNet (as a reseller), though I would be reluctant to actually recommend them (things can go wrong, even with the most reliable company, and I wouldn't want to have my name on anyone's lips if/when that happens! ).
However, their support is via an online help desk, and I've only ever needed to contact them twice in 4 years, and they dealt with the issue very quickly.
The thing with US companies is while the price is right at the moment, currency fluctuations mean it isn't necessarily 'fixed'.
Incidentally, if you find a host that looks attractive you can always post here asking if anyone has had experience of them.
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SamuelG
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Thx TFC, will have a look at AceNet deffo treat them with respect From what I've seen on their website it looks very complicated and mind boggling  If you want this so called "enterprise" webhosting you get 200Gig webspace, 2000Gig traffic and that costs you $7 per month. But if you want to be a reseller you get 10Gig space and 100Gig traffic for $20 a month. Now, it must be something I don't know about it but my maths are failing me on this one. How can a reseller make any money that way, providing he can find even one sucker to sign up with him rather then signing up for this enterprise stuff for the third of the money and for double the space?? I have a feeling I will look like a real idiot after this, but I just had to ask  Seven bucks a month sounds kinda good to me, coupled with all that space they give you(not that I would need it), now that is what even I would call "too good to be true" Am I missing something?
The way I see it, the reliability of the host is not mega important for me since I don't intend to have an online shop or something which requires an absolute presence in order for the business to function. The ocassional outage wont be that detrimental to my work, the chances are I wont even know about it (I will not be online all the time) if and when that happens, as long as it's not for days at the time
Any idea about this font business, I mean you might have missed the bit in my previous contri where I was trying to describe what little I remember reading about making your unique font accessible on any machine.
many thx cheers SG
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Regarding the font, from what I remember I think it was the case of if you want your unique font to be seen by any machine that visits your website you have to make it into some sort of graphic and the way I understand it is, you have to almost have it as a picture instead of just plain letters. If you understand my almost Tarzanish descriptions, and if you know what I am trying to say(cause I don't) would you be able to explain to me what does that involve. Unfortunately I love that font so much I will just have to have it on my site 
Yes technically you can use a fancy font and then save the text as an image to insert on the website, but DONT DO IT !!!!!!!!
Firstly as its a company website then you risk legal problems if someone complains as it wouldnt comply with the disability discrimination act.
Secondly it will make your page so slow to load that a lot of people simply wont bother.
Using a font and having it able to be downloaded is also not a good idea - most people wont download something like that so will jsut see the text in their browsers default font, and unless you own the copyright to that font its not a good idea to put it on the web as a free download.
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SamuelG
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Yes technically you can use a fancy font and then save the text as an image to insert on the website, but DONT DO IT !!!!!!!!
Firstly as its a company website then you risk legal problems if someone complains as it wouldnt comply with the disability discrimination act.
Secondly it will make your page so slow to load that a lot of people simply wont bother.
Thx predator, I only ever wanted to use the font for my company name, nothing else. I am aware of the difficulties with graphics and page loading but I gather that a little graphic image with my company name and(possibly) logo woldn't harm the speed that much. We are talking about 15-20 letters squeezed into say, 500*300 pixels.
How on earth would that amount to a non compliance with the disability discrimination act? I am not questioning you at all, I am just puzzled, not in a million years would that occur to me. 
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Using a font and having it able to be downloaded is also not a good idea - most people wont download something like that so will jsut see the text in their browsers default font, and unless you own the copyright to that font its not a good idea to put it on the web as a free download.
Sure, I would never bother downloading fonts when I surf, so equally would never expect others to do that on my site. Copyright is a good point, although the font in question is freely available for people to download (on the author's page), it is not the same when the non-author of the said font offers it to the public.
many thx cheers SG
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Sorry for not picking up on the graphics/font issue earlier (long day yesterday, that's my excuse anyhoo )...
Creating a site logo/ident as a graphic is perfectly acceptable SG. Every site does it. If you already have a logo and/or tag line which appears on stationery, brochures, etc. then that's what you need to use, to carry on the brand ID. Similar to the ID at the head of this site, which follows the colour & font scheme of the magazines masthead, stationery, etc.;

All I would suggest is to have an original graphic at high resolution from which you can create reduced version for the site.
So long as you're not intending to replace great swathes of text with a graphic there is no issue regarding accessibility. However, any graphic you do use should be tagged with a description (within the HTML coding) which shows when the cursor hovers over it, or that a screen reader will pick up.
As for fonts, the vast majority are licenced in such a way as to be virtually in the public domain. There are some bespoke fonts that would need the owners permission, but they are few and far between.
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Thx predator, I only ever wanted to use the font for my company name, nothing else. I am aware of the difficulties with graphics and page loading but I gather that a little graphic image with my company name and(possibly) logo woldn't harm the speed that much. We are talking about 15-20 letters squeezed into say, 500*300 pixels.
How on earth would that amount to a non compliance with the disability discrimination act? I am not questioning you at all, I am just puzzled, not in a million years would that occur to me. 
Just using it for a company name/logo should be fine as long as you use ALT text to describe it.
I've seen sites where the whole page of text was done as a graphic and the problem is that blind users with screenreading software can't read it - their software sees a meaningless picture rather than text that it can then speak to the user. The disability discrimination act does apply to company websites so you need to make sure you follow accessability guidelines so it doesnt cause problems for e.g. blind users, or if you use a strange colour scheme then make sure its not say red font on green background that would be invisible to colour-blind users.
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SamuelG
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Hello again folks 
finally got myself a domain name(s) and a web host. Gone with Telivo with names and with Acenet for the hosting side. And I thought that was it. Little did I know that troubles have just started hitting me. My head is spinning but I guess that is part of the parcel when you are noobie. And I am not even talking about the website creation, God help me with that 
I got two domain names one with .com and one with .co.uk . I first registered the .com one with Acenet and in my cPanel that is the name that shows as "Domain Name" . I have also transferred the nameservers for .com domain to Acenet and that's how far I knew what to do. Now, I would like to have a website with .com extension but would also like (just in case) that my .co.uk. address points to that website too. Now, I was too scared to change the nameserver for that address at the same time because I don't know if I need to (before I do that) do something, either somehow notify Acenet that I have .co.uk adress or do something in my cPanel so it accepts(or recognizes my .co.uk). I am just gessing here 
In my cPanel(in Site Management Toold) there are few icons which could hold the key to my question. They are Parked domains, Sub domains and Addon domains but I am too worried to muck with them in case I screw up something (and I am every Frank Spencer's Frank Spencer)
What do I need to do in order to have my .co.uk domain point at the same website which will be .com. Would I need to contact Acenet at all or could I do all of it myself in cPanel? Also, if my .com website is my primary domain (if there is such a thing as Primary) would I be able to in future have co.uk email addresses? Sorry for so many questions but all this Sub, Addon, Parked and so on don't mean that much to me, did read through the help notes but somehow can't really tell what my line of action should be. many thx in advance
ps. TFC, thanks a lot for pointing Acenet and cPanel business, it looks very user friendly, even a dummy like me can at least understand the controls if not the meaning of all of them 
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Hi SG,
As far as having your .co.uk domain pointing to your .com site; from Telivo change the DNS details and set both domains to your AceNet server, e.g.
Primary: ns143.securenet-server.net IP: 209.51.152.155 Secondary: ns144.securenet-server.net IP: 209.51.152.156
Then, from your .com AceNet cPanel, goto 'Parked Domain'...

And 'park' the .co.uk domain, this will then redirect to your .com site when folk enter the URL in their browser.
With regards to the .co.uk email, I'm not sure about that, though I doubt it. Probably best to raise a support ticket with AceNet, they're a helpful bunch, I'm sure they'll give you a definitive answer.
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SamuelG
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thx TFC, much obliged!
just done it and it was a peace of p*ss(easy when you know what buttons to press) 
cheers SG
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No worries, happy to be of assistance.
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