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SandRogue
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Loc: England
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design and create websites from scratch WITHOUT using a program that sets everything out for you such as dreamweaver.
Im beginning to feel like im the only one who does everything by hand,but no matter how many times i try i just dont like programs which does designing/layout etc... for me.
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putasolutions
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Loc: Infinity and beyond
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I have used notepad for basic pages, but it is so long winded. I tend to use Frontpage express nowadays
Of all the Things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
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webby
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Loc: UK
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Hi SandRogue
I just use Word. It has its drawbacks with some things, but they can be got round within the html. Like you, I just cannot get on with the programs for web design and I have tried loads of them.
You only have one chance in life - take it while you can
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owen
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Loc: Lancashire, United Kingdom
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It does take a lot of hard work to make HTML pages from scratch. I use Net Objects Fusion 7 which my host provides free of charge along with some other programs.
Owen,
http://www.isecurity.org.uk
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webby
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Reg'd: Mon
Posts: 151
Loc: UK
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Tried NOF not sure which version - found it confusing when it didn't put things where I wanted them......back to Word again lol
You only have one chance in life - take it while you can
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SandRogue
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Posts: 97
Loc: England
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I used to use notepad until i discovered html-kit which is really good for coding in.It has a very handy validator within it and colour co-ordinates your coding to make it easy to read.
I tried word once but it doesnt work too good for webpage designing as it kinda messes some coding up.
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webby
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Posts: 151
Loc: UK
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Yes it messes up Javascript a treat lol....so I no longer click on save in Word.....I fiddle with the html instead and save that.
You only have one chance in life - take it while you can
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spynka
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Perhaps i'm being old fashioned but i just can't take to these different types of programs which promises the earth really in webpage design. I prefer getting my hands dirty as it were and if i make a mess " which i usually do", then i have to clear it up. But in my book it's the best way of learning there is! 
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webby
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Reg'd: Mon
Posts: 151
Loc: UK
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It sure is Spynka. It is the way I learnt html....trial and a lot of error lol
You only have one chance in life - take it while you can
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Jonny555
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Loc: Cheshire, England
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I totally agree with there. I love getting into the code, but unfortunately just don't have the time to code by hand in full.
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SandRogue
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Reg'd: Wed
Posts: 97
Loc: England
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Well im only just learning and learning myself but i love being able to understand what im doing and being able to fix problems with anything i do.
But time is also an issue for me atm as im in full time work and am doing jobs around the house atm.
I still do what i can though and learn by my mistakes :)
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Jonny555
Reg'd: Fri
Posts: 5310
Loc: Cheshire, England
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Another useful tool is to get hold of some completed code and then start changing it. You get to see exactly what you've done, does to the page.
As with everything it takes time, but it's worth it in the end.
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andys
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Posts: 177
Loc: London, England
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You're certainly not on your own. I like the full control I get over a page by creating it in HTML but would agree that it's long winded. I use Crimson Editor - a free text editor that colours HTML code so it stands out. It also allows you to make changes to a number of files at a time.
Although sites with a lot of pages take a long time to create you can cut down on the time spent by using your other pages as templates. The more you learn about HTML, the easier and quicker that becomes.
Andy Shaw - Web User
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longplay
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Posts: 266
Loc: UK
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Hey, I do, HTML-Kit for me. I used DW for a bit, but found I spent so much time in code mode that it wasn't worth it, plus I code a lot of php and you can't preview that in DW, you have to use a web server and browser, so it kind of limited DWs appeal.
I started out coding by hand, back in the days when there were no HTML editors, and I've always found it easy and, for me, faster.
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