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jockwav
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I definately would not recommend pipex to anyone. I joined them in may and signed up for broadband and talk package,here we are in august and still waiting for my talk package. I have phoned them repeatedly,e-mailed them and they keep saying its a system problem at their end,when this contract expires next year they can get lost.
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Jonny555
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Quite simply if the contracted service is not being delivered, then you have the right to cancel it.
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jockwav
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That is my on-going arguement with them at the moment,but i dont want to get into seeking legal action as it may be costly. I dont want to just cancel just in case i am left to foot the bill and also i was offline for a while before i joined them,so will just have to keep on their backs i suppose for now.
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Jonny555
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It's your money.
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tutugo
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I find Pipex the most unreliable of services with often many attempts to connect with several error mesasages, I've had to disconnect and uninstall /re-install and still the service connects only about 3 times out of five, and then only after several attempts, the help line may be cheap, but there is so much 'blurb' prior to connecting it can take half an hour before speaking to a person. I'm sorry I signed up with them and can't wait till my 12 months is up.
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jockwav
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I totally agree with you,i am really sorry i moved,cant wait for my contract to end.
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Bodintons
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I wouldn't want to fund the Hoff!
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tutugo
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What's 'the Hoff?'
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jockwav
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Never seen the advert?.
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jockwav
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Well i hope someone from pipex reads these forums,your reputation is going down on a lot of forums. It is now end of august and i have been waiting for my talk service since may,but not to worry i dont need it anymore as i have found a good deal from my new telephone supplier,lost out again pipex. Your connections are getting worse for cutting off,your customer help is extremely bad. Waiting for a return e-mail is a joke,i can get a letter from america quicker hahaa. You may have got my cash for this year but it will be your last,cant wait for my contract to be over, you morons. Looking forward to next year to get a mac key from you,and i will gladly give you a whole list of things as to why if you ask. There i feel better now getting that of my chest,the worst isp i have ever had.
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krsipy1812
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Quote:
That is my on-going arguement with them at the moment,but i dont want to get into seeking legal action as it may be costly. I dont want to just cancel just in case i am left to foot the bill and also i was offline for a while before i joined them,so will just have to keep on their backs i suppose for now.
There is no argument on your part. If they gave you a date or time period when the full services would or should have been operational, and if they have failed to keep that, they have lost. The LAW is VERY clear on your rights. If they have failed to provide the full services under the terms of their contract, you have every right to 'rescind' the contract. They are in breach of their contractual duties, it's that simple.
If you bought both elements (broadband and talkplan) at the same time as a packaged deal, then their failure to uphold either part would constitute a breach of the whole contract and entitle you to rescind the entire contract.
All you would require to do is send a letter to them (I would record delivery as proof), advising them that as a consequence of their failure to provide the full services you purchased (broadband and talkplan) that you hold them in breach of contract, and consequently you are rescinding the contract as of the date of the letter. Thereafter, refuse to pay them any money. I should point out that this is not even a requirement, but could save you some grief. The factual side is you could simply stop paying them without any notification as the way the law interprets this is, they already KNOW they are in breach, therefore they should know, or ought to know, that your failure to pay is a consequence of their breach - in this situation, the contract would become 'frustrated' and voided.
It would be a good idea to prepare something to replace your broadband prior to the plug being pulled on it, but after you send the letter, cancel all and any payments. You will not owe them any money, and it is extremely unlikely that they would attempt to pursue the matter as their legal department sift throught these matters prior to making a qualified decision. If what you say is true, their legal department would bin any attempts to pursue the matter, as in fact you could countersue them for the breach in the first place - your argument being along the lines (i'm presuming the talk plan offered you cheaper calls or some benefit of that ilk) that they have deprived you of a beneficial service which you ordered/ purchased and which they agreed to provide by a specified time, and their failure to provide that service may or may not have caused you some kind of loss or incurred heavier charges than what you would have paid if they had fulfilled their contractual obligations timeously.
Don't forget, that contract works BOTH ways.
This happened to me 6 years ago with BT, and unfortunately for them, it was for several lines. They PAID ME over £1600 as I was quick to point out their breach of contract. They had a scheme in place which provided X amount of pounds for every day which they failed to meet their deadline for each line, and it dragged on for weeks on end, hence the large payment. The guarantee scheme was nothing more than a quick fix legal remedy in their favour, which saves them money in legal fees.
From what i read, everything appears to be in your favour, and YOU could actually be the one who benefits here.
If you decide to 'rescind' the contract, then this is a mutual agreement to cancel the contract. If you simply advise them that you find them in breach of contract and that you no longer intend to pay for the broadband, you leave the door open for yourself to potentially benefit in the future.
Please bear in mind this is just an opinion based on the scant information you provided, and some other comments in the replies. If you are unsure or in doubt, citizens advice or a free legal services agency may be able to give you more qualified information if you provided them with full details of what took place.
If you have already paid them a fully year upfront, or for advance services and are going elsewhere, you could well be entitled to a refund or some monetary relief.
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jockwav
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Thanks for your reply,but i have set up my talk plan with another company now. I just cant be bothered with the hassle of fighting pipex or getting another isp just now. I will just use pipex until the contract runs out next year,cheers.
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SINNER
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i was going to go with pipex but after a week of trying to get thru and getting diverted to a bt freephone test number and getting cut off and the one time i did get thru i got put on hold because my mac had been rejected for being out of date when it was only 24 hours old ! and then the line went dead.
so pipex can clear off.
im now looking for another isp that will give me about 7/meg speed and an unlimited account.
so far i have banned pipex for poor service. tiscali i have been told are poor for connection. orange well i wont go there . sky want to much for what they offer i think. bulldog there fair use policy would get me chucked off there network in a week lol.
i wonder if i should stay with onetel (as was) as i have been with them for about 6 years and only had 2 probs in that time and they were sorted out in a few hours but they only offer 2meg at £16.99 and there are no plans up the speed in the foreseeable future.
any ideas any one ?
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jockwav
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I was with onetel before pipex,i wish i would have stayed there,i made a big mistake moving to pipex.
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DGH
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I have been a customer of pipex since around 2003 when broadband was enabled on my local exchange in the scottish borders. Since then I've had no problems with them at all. I also moved house recently and the cancellation at my old address and new sign-up at my new address went without a hitch. I've never been disconnected (other than when it's a BT line fault or a problem at the exchange which as far as I recall hass only been once in 3 years) and I've been impressed with their speeds and reliability. I would heartily recommend Pipex to anyone. I have to say that I don't have their phone service - only broadband.
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jockwav
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Well you are the fortunate one,i and many others on another forum cant wait for the contract to end to say goodbye to them.
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googlymoogly
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Pipex are terrible these days. Been with them since 2004, moved house Summer 2006 and want out now but they're trying to charge me £120 for a new contract I apparently started when I moved! Nothing in the T&Cs says this would happen when I moved house and I wasn't told that's what I was signing up for. Have stopped my DD and am awaiting my MAC number. Will see what they do about my refusal to pay!
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greysts
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What they'll do about your refusal to pay is to seek a judgement against you in the County Court and then send the bailiffs in to recover their money. Unless you want to end up with a damaged credit rating and the possibility of not being able to borrow money in the future (including getting a credit card) I would get in touch with your ISP a bit sharpish.
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googlymoogly
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They caved in, gave me my MAC number and waived all the fees. I knew they were talking out of their arses. I'm offski!
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mark99
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I am currently having a problem with pipex and want out of the contract - this is quite understandable bearing in mind what they have put me through. They are resisting pro-rated cancellation, which I obviously want.
I understand from various forums that I am not the only one that is experiencing problems, so, I set up www.pipexproblems.co.uk and have been in touch with their PR department. If you are able to join in the affray, please do. I will post on the forum on pipexproblems to link back to this thead to illustrate the case.
Maybe if enough users get upset and they are made aware of this, they will start taking heed of peoples problems with them!
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