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harry3
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Hi can anyone help with a problem i'm having with wanadoo sitebuilder? built a site with it when it was freeserve and has been ok but when i've tried to update the site recently only the "old" stuff will show up on the internet and not the new, have tried deleteing the temp internet files, checking my browser settings and refreshing the pages, testing and publish the new pages but still only the old show up, has anyone got any other ideas to help as i'm not a technical wizard with this sort of stuff and have no more ideas to try! the site was built using the basic sitebuilder so i didn't need to upload it from my pc it was all set up by the freeserve folk, any help would be great. Thanks
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Whizwrinkly
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You have to upload your changes to the internet via FTP.
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harry3
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Hi thanks for your reply whizwrinkly, when i built my site i didn't need to use FTP all the lay out was done using freeserve / wanadoo sitebuilder set up, all i had to do was add the photo's and wording and then publish it! they did have another layout you could use and that one you had to use FTP, i'm a complete web numpty when it comes to this type of stuff and not got a clue when it comes to FTP so i chose the "easy" option for me! am i right in thinking that you use FTP when you build a site from scratch on your pc and then when you need to upload it to the internet host you need FTP? as with the easy option i've never had to do this i didn't build it on my pc just used freeserve templates, i wonder if wanadoo has changed the sitebuilder? i'm REALLY stuck with this and would be gratefull if you/anyone could help point me in the right direction, as said i'm a bit of a numpty with this sort of stuff! thanks for your reply though, if it helps the site is www.ryovanarabianstud.com, this was done using the free freeserve layout and is now in a bit of a mess cause it wont change!
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Whizwrinkly
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FTP = File transfer protocol. It's the only way to get your stuff on the web.
When you use the Wanadoo 'Publish site' utility, you are just using their own FTP client.
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m4rk
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It's been a while since I used Wanadoo web site tools but if you have built your site with 'Site builder' you can't then use an FTP client, such as smartFTP, Terrapin etc, to transfer your updated files. You have use the options provided by Wanadoo on their 'site builder' page. If you have a problem with 'Site builder' then you may need to contact Wanadoo but from my experience their help and support is pants, costly and will be a waste of your time. I'd check out the Wanadoo FAQ's and use Google to see if anyone else has the same problem. You could also try turning off your firewall temporarily just in case it's interfering with the upload process.
If all else fails then why not move your site over to using the other Wanadoo method and use 'FTP my site' instead. Wanadoo says you can't go from one way to the other but I managed it. Here's how:
First I copied all the code from my original site, which had been built with 'site builder', and then rebuilt it in a wsywig editor, I used Frontpage. A site built with 'site builder' is fairly simple and to obtain the source code I just cut and paste it from the 'view source' in Windows Explorer. I believe there are utilities that could download it for you if you think the cut and paste method isn't practical in your case. Next I deleted my old site name from 'sitebuilder' and setup the same site name in 'FTP my site'. Next I uploaded my new pages, now on my PC, with an FTP client (I like smartFTP) and volia - the same old site with same url but now built with my own wysiwig editor. It's quite a bit of work in the beginning but you'll end up with a site that can changed far more easily and will grow as you knowledge does without the limitations of the very basic 'sitebulider'. You can also easily backup your site and transport to another host if you ever want to. That's what I did and I never regretted it.
One word of warning - it's been many months since I made the change and so I can't guarantee the above method will still work.
m4rk
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harry3
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Thankyou both for your replies, i found the basic freeserve / wanadoo sitebuilder easy for me to use as this was my first attempt at building a web site and was happy to use the layout they had but can't understand what's gone wrong with it now, the thought of moving the site over to the FTP site builder sounds a bit "scary" as i really don't know much about this type of stuff but think i will give it a go using your suggestion m4rk, did try the "help" lines and your right they don't seem to be able to offer anything! will also try your other suggestions, the thought of starting from scratch again is putting me off if i can't sort out my prob, but if i do have to start again what would be the best and easy way to get going again bearing in mind i have no idea about this FTP thing, well i know a bit but don't know how to go about using it!
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m4rk
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Harry,
That's just how I started out and I knew nothing; some say I still don't :) Just take one step at a time and you'll be fine but if you have no ambition to develop your site further then try to get your problem sorted. If you think you might want to carry on improving and adding to your site then the sooner you move over to using FTP and a wsywig editor the better it will be for you in the long run. FTP'ing (File Transfer Protocol) is very easy and it's a 'bit' similar to setting up an email account in say Outlook and then sending emails with it. Except in this case you need an FTP client instead. These can be found as freeware and I reccomend smartFTP which you can find on Google. Then all you need do is put in the Wanadoo server name and a password, Wanadoo will tell you this and there are also plenty of helpful sites to show what's needed where. After that your ready to send files to Wanadoo and you do this just like dragging and dropping files in windows explorer except your folders are located on Wandoo's server and on your PC. But before you can send files to Wanadoo you need to set up your site for FTP with them. Just follow the Wanadoo instructions found in FTP my site. One last thing that seems to catch people out is that you can only FTP to Wanadoo using your PC which is connected to Wanadoo. ie you have to be a member of Wanadoo and use your connection. For site builder you can use any PC and you don't have to be a Wanadoo member.
It's much easier than its sounds above I promise but before you worry too much about FTP you'll need to re-create your site on your PC first. This will be the hard part. I used Frontpage but others may recomend a free wysiwig editor. I've heard aceHTML is good?? With the wysiwig, (what you see is what you get ) editor you create your site and you'll need to play with the editor to get to know it. You use the editors tools and buttons to drag in images and create hyperlinks and the editor creates the HTML for you. Some will have templates already setup into which you can plug your content in a similiar fashion to using sitebuilder.
m4rk
www.markandlinda.co.uk
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harry3
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Thanks for your reply m4rk, i've a feeling i'm going to have to build it again from scratch, no idea how i'm going to do this yet but think i need to give it a go to make it a bit easier for me to change also i suppose there is only so much i can do with the site as is, think i need to add a bit more to it like a guest book and some other sort of effects also think we need a bit more traffic through it.
You mentioned you had used frontpage, i have this on my pc but have never used it, mostly cause i'm not sure how! did i mention that i'm not very good with this type of stuff lol! what about the codes and things would it be easy enough to get going with frontpage.
Thanks :-)
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m4rk
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Just open Frontpage up and have a play. You can probably find some tutorials on the net and maybe also in Frontpage itself if you don't like to jump straight in . I found it a bit frustrating at first but you'll soon find out how to get things to work the Frontpage way. I eventually moved over to Dreamweaver and I'm learning that now. Have fun!!
m4rk
www.markandlinda.co.uk
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