i guess i should have worded my post alittle clearer, when i said without any problems,i really meant with the router or ntl. i have had problems with ntl's cable modem's and they have come and replaced 3 now,the last one a couple of years ago which was a new model, each time nothing was mentioned at all about my router or setup,they even went so far as to ensure my whole network worked each time. i live in bedfordshire and the service i get here is excellent,whether it's a tv or broadband fault,they've come out within 24hrs