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JoJo
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Hi, I have been using Ebay for a few years and have recently started selling all my junk...err, I mean lovely things .... from around the house. Well, I have been bitten by the bug!! I am now looking at wholesalers and wondering if I should buy things to sell on Ebay to see if I can make a living out of it (have just given up my job and am a SAHM at th mo). Thing is I don't want to get it wrong with the taxman! What do I do with the VAT? And when I file a tax return will I have to declare my profits (can't imagine there'll be much to declare!). Any advice would be most welcome!!!
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FilthyRaider
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Firstly VAT is not going to be an issue until you are turning over well over £60,000 pa so put that one on the back burner.
For tax purposes you want to keep records (excel is good, but you can use a book) and keep tabs on what you spend and what you sell. Postage, stock, stationary, eBay and PayPal fees etc are all costs, and the sales should be item price and postage.
You can register with the IR on line and declare yourself as self-employed (which does not mean you cannot work as employed but at least you have an avenue to declare earnings). You can pay NI and it works out between £8 and £11 a month.
You can file a Tax Return on paper (they will send you one) or do what I do and do it on line. Ned Flanders style, I am filling in mine just after 6th April (tax years run 6th April to 5th April so the end of this tax year is 5th April 2008). IF you keep good accurate records you will find it a doddle. Don't forget to include some costs for 'use of a room in the house' - can be fifth or sixth or your gas and electric in some cases taken off your profits.
Also if you earn under your tax code there will be nothing to pay, but you must still file a return. The tax side can be easier than you think.
Buying things from wholesalers: When I started out I bought what I was sure would sell and most of it bombed. Solution? Sell it on as wholesale lots to recover the money.
When looking at Wholesale lots use total price (cost + shipping) and work out a single item cost. Example: you buy 1000 items at £500 total. That means each one is 50p each to you. Two questions: How much do you want to make? and How much will them actually sell for?
By 'sell' I do mean REALLY sell. Better to shift the 1000 for £1.50 and treble your money in a few months than sit on them for two years at £3.00. Also check on eBay what they sell for.
Another tip: If you are buying lots off eBay check if anyone sells them in singles. You get some clown sellers flogging, say, 50 Teletubbie Alarm Clocks and then selling them in singles as well! What is the point of buying off someone who can obviously undercut you!
Also think about selling the items in 10s or 100s or even combining them with something else.
Shipping: Buy in a stock of envelopes and boxes to match what you are selling. The best suppliers are actually on eBay strangely enough! Charge for Postage AND Packing and don't forget to add some allowance for handling - basically wrapping the item and getting it to the post office.
Recorded Delivery where poss, but there are some good cheap couriers about too.
Some sites:
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/startingup/index.htm
http://www.vatark.co.uk/Regnlmts.htm
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/jobs/selfemployment/
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life...t_checklist.htm
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Edited by FilthyRaider (Sun Feb 10 2008 03:38 PM)
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mattytun
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good post FilthyRaider very intresting
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FilthyRaider
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Many thanks for the comment.
As usual I forgot something - KEEP receipts! This includes PayPal and eBay invoices for purchases and always get a receipt at the Post Office. Keep them in a big box file for each year. The IR actually don't go into these if you are below £15,000 pa, but they can if they want go back six years or so. Above £15,000 they MIGHT ask for them, but generally only if there are issues.
For sales: This is always a tough one. Do you print off everything or just mark it in a book/excel sheet? Actually the IR itself say the latter is fine. And remember that computer running costs can be offset against profit too.
You can of course use an accountant but frankly it is basic stuff when you get to ground level and the cost of an accountant is usually only worth it if they pick up on something you do not.
I'd recommend giving it a go, but make sure your service levels are impeccable. On the counter you can run it the way you want - we pursue non payers quite vigourously and set our own standards and terms.
Can you make a living at it? You have to be serious. Buy 100 of something, start selling, next time buy 1,000. After that 10,000? Oh, say goodbye to your spare room and get used to living with boxes!
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Ellen
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I can see you are an excellent businessman filthyraider. That was all great advice to anyone thinking of starting up in a big way with ebay. I hope JoJo appreciates your advice and responds.
Ellen
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JoJo
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Oh wow that is fantastic advice - I appreciate it soooo much!!! I have already made a mistake of buying a few things (not too many fortunately) that are already in Ebay for less than I can afford to sell them!! Doh! But I am learning and really hope I can manage it because I do njoy it! As for doing tax returns, I don't worry too much, I know to keep records and already have an Excel spreadsheet set up!
Thank you so much for your advice!:D
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FilthyRaider
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Also sign up to TazBar as a cheaper alternative to eBay (but don't expect huge sales off there), get a Google Checkout account as an alternative to PayPal, and when you buy stuff that currently sells for less do not be afraid to sit on it. We had the same thing once, but leave it a few months and things change.
One other tip: Can you sell items for a different use?
Example: We bought some South Park money boxes. There were a few others selling odd ones, but we listed them at the start of the year as South Park Money Boxes: Stop Smoking!
Why Stop Smoking? In the listing we explained how you could use the money box as a reminder and put 'saved' fag money away. It worked: £30 down and £95 back.
Avoid superfluous words in listings titles: THINK what people search for rather than trying to describe the item in the title - that is what the description is for.
There is a thread lower down on using PhotoBucket to get more pictures in listings. They even do a tutorial:
http://tutorials.photobucket.com/tutorial_50.html
Good luck and don't be afraid to come back with your own tips. Always welcome!
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JoJo
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Thanks Raider, you are very helpful. I have downloaded Auctiva - what do you think of that as I'm just trying to get my head round it! Not sure if it's worth it!
I will have a look at all your links too of course!
If I get to the point where I can help others and offer tips I'd love to!
Thanks again.
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FilthyRaider
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Never bothered with Auctiva. Use Turbo Lister from eBay as you can now synchronise listings. If you want to go 'upmarket' that's fine, but you can often build more trust just with the basics. Some buyers actually dislike too snazzy a listing.
Create a Terms and Conditions on Word that you can paste into listings at the end. Just what you expect from the buyer BUT remember if you sell as a business you must follow Distance Selling Regulations from the Office of Fair Trading.
http://www.oft.gov.uk/advice_and_resources/resource_base/legal/distance-selling-regulations/
Quite a bit in there, but the main point that most eBay sellers find hard to take is that if a buyer wants to return an item (faulty or not) they are allowed to do so and you must refund cost, postage AND return postage. They have Seven Days to change their mind.
In Practice it is a matter of just offering good service. Do that and you will also get good Detailed Seller Ratings (the stars on the feedback page). Recent changes to eBay mean that future Final Value Fees may be cut IF you get good ratings.
Oh, and it has been discussed endlessly on here, be prepared for the stupid questions......................
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JoJo
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I think you're right about the snazzy listings. Looks too desperate/pushy - but I wondered if it would make me appear more professional. Anyway, we will see. I saw Turbo lister so I might get that. Thanks again Raider!
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