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Evacuee
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I purchased a new desktop running XP.
My old desktop (XP) had 2 hard drives of which one was a 20Gb. This hard drive I have recently tried to run as an external HD on my new PC as I have much needed information on it relating to an association of which I am the secretary.
This hard drive will not start up in an external case. The case is OK as I have tried another smaller hard drive in it and that started up as I could hear it running.
This 20Gb hard drive will not run fitted directly in the computer either as I have tried it. (Hope the warranty still stands!).
Anyway, what I would like to know....is there any way I could get this hard drive to 'fire-up' so I could at least download the information on it, to another hard drive?
I cannot understand why it does not work now as it did in my old PC.
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greysts
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Did you change the jumper on the back of the drive to make it a slave before you connected it to your new PC?
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Evacuee
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Hi greysts....the answer is yes.
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Sandhound
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G'day Evacuee.
What make is the HDD?.
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greysts
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Is the spare drive recognised in the BIOS?
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Evacuee
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Hi Sandhound.....The drive is a Western Digital WD200.
Greysts.......How do you access the BIOS?
I did get a guy on another Forum tell me to wrap the hard drive up and put it in the freezer for a couple of days....!! Weird eh? Am I supposed to think that is a leg pull.....!!????
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greysts
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When you first switch on the PC you may see a message something like 'Press F1 for Setup'. It may be another key like Del or F1. Do you see such a message?
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Evacuee
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I finally found that it is 'delete' to get to my BIOS.
As follows.....
Primary IDE Master......Hard Disk
Primary IDE Slave.......Not Detected
Secondary IDE Master....CD/DVD Rom
Secondary IDE Slave.....Not Detected
S-ATA 1...... Not Detected
S-ATA 2..... Not Detected
Hope this helps.
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greysts
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Certainly does. Was your old drive connected when you found this info? If it was then it should have appeared as either the Primary or Secondary IDE Slave.
Can I check how you've added your old drive into the system. There is a grey ribbon cable running from the motherboard to the maid hard drive. Halfway along that cable there should be a spare connector into which you should plug your old hard drive. There should be one or two spare 4 pin power leads lying around as well. Use one of them to power up the old drive. Now remove the jumper completely from the old disk and let the BIOS identify it. Power up and re-check the BIOS to see if it can now see the drive.
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Evacuee
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Thanks 'grey'
I will check on your instructions this evening.....gotta go out now....Xmas shopping and all that, don't know where the moneys coming from...oh well!
Catch ya later.....!!
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Evacuee
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Well 'grey'' I was not able to continue working on the PC until this afternoon and I have had quite an interesting time.
I plugged in the 'old hard drive' exactly as you told me but it loaded up very slow and I missed pressing delete so it went through the usual start up procedure. In the end windows could no load as I received a message as follows
(Windows Root)\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
I turned the PC off and restarted several times and in the end I disconnected the 'old hard drive' restarted and I am back here now.
When I finally got into the BIOS it showed exactly as it had as I mentioned in my previous posting.
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greysts
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So that means the BIOS recognised the old hard drive first time round which is good. Going back to the new hard drive have you tried resetting the jumper on that? It should be possible to set it to Master with Slave present rather than Master and No Slave. Keep the old HD fitted and see what happens when you reboot.
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Evacuee
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Hi 'greysts'
It seems I must have misled you when I said...... plugged in the 'old hard drive' exactly as you told me but it loaded up very slow and I missed pressing delete so it went through the usual start up procedure..... in my previous post.
The problem hard drive did not fire up at all. I was referring to the PC starting up very slowly and the message which followed. Sorry about that.
I changed the jumpers as you advised but still the old hard drive did not fire up.
I am coming to the conclusion that its had it!
Mind you I have two more HD's both 20gb and a 2Gb one and none of those are recognised either. Does that help?
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greysts
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I changed the jumpers as you advised but still the old hard drive did not fire up.
And it didn't register in the BIOS?
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Evacuee
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Unfortunately it did not.
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greysts
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Then it sounds pretty terminal to me. If you actually replace the new HD with the old one does it get anywhere?
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Evacuee
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I'm afraid thats a no also.
If I replace the hard drive with the old one, nothing happens except I get the message.....
File missing....(Windows Root)\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
replace file and restart computer.
I also suppose that its going to cost me lotsa money to get my data recovered too?
Oh well...!! Thank you very much for your efforts and I wish you all the best for Christmas and the new year.....Evacuee
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greysts
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In that case I don't think the hard disk is totally dead else it wouldn't have got past the BIOS to start looking for files on the hard disk. Has the PC got a floppy disk drive or do you have a bootable Windows CD?
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Evacuee
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Well that might be a relief!
I have a floppy drive and the original XP Prof. disk.
Just a curiosity question. Does it matter in which order the drives are connected to the grey lead? Should the main drive with the OS be the first connection or can it be the last connection on the lead as mine is.
I appreciate the time you are spending on this with me. Time is not a factor to me as I am a retired 'old wrinkly'!! Thanks.
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greysts
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I am a retired 'old wrinkly'!!
So am I!! With some IDE cables it does matter but if it did there should be an indication on the lead to show which is Master and which Slave.
Get yourself a clean, formatted floppy disk and put it in the drive. Download this file, double click on it and wait whilst it creates a bootable floppy disk.
Next put your old hard disk back in as the master, go into the BIOS and change the boot order so it loads the floppy drive first, then with the floppy in the drive, reboot the PC.
If everything goes according to plan the PC will boot up to the A: drive. You will have a RAM disk which will probably be the C: drive, a CD which may be E: and the hard disk which may be F: Those aren't necessarily in the right order, you'll have to experiment to see which is which. To do so type C: and press the Enter key. Next type DIR and press Enter to see what it contains. Try the other letters until you find the hard disk.
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